• nero1234 January 3, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    The world has changed since Beveridge! this is common concensus and it is a view that was shared by Beveridge himself who thought that the world would change and that his foundation stone of a caring and just society would support that change. The later part of this great vision is the part that is missing, no longer is the notion of caring and equity at the fore rather the motivation is greed and self interest!

  • Liam Byrne is a disgrace.

  • Joe Kane on Facebook January 3, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    A fabulous comment by moretorybullshit in the thread, here –

    moretorybullshit 2 January 2012 07:50PM

    As my post has vanished into hyper space, I will post again:

    Probably the most disgusting thing about this coalition is the systematic targeting of the weak, poor and disabled and the deliberate spreading of lies to facilitate this. What’s even more disgusting is the amount of people who have fell for this crap and come on here and regurgitate these lies.
    So, using the Governments own figures, let’s lay to rest this bullshit:

    You’re all sick of paying a huge swathe of chavs to lay about watching Jeremy Kyle all day? IT’S A LIE. Less than 5,000 people, out of a population of 60 million, have been on benefits for more than 5 years. Your taxes are actually subsidising the private sector. Most of the people claiming benefits are in work, but their wages are so low, they have to be topped up by the tax payer.

    Living on benefits is a lifestyle choice? IT’S A LIE. More than 80% of benefit claimants are aged over 35. The vast majority of claimants have worked, and paid taxes, for years and are now on benefits due to redundancy, sickness, disability or having to care for someone.

    People won’t work because benefits are too high? IT’S A LIE. Average benefits amount to £3,400 a year. These people are living in poverty. Since 1997, the amount of GDP spent on welfare has actually gone down, and stands at around 7%. In the same time frame, GDP has risen by 67%. People on benefits are far worse off now than they have ever been.

    People should get off their arses and look for work? IT’S A LIE. When Iain Duncan Smith suggested the jobless in Merthyr Tydfil should “get on a bus” to Cardiff to find work, Merthyr had 43 people for every job vacancy. Problem was, Cardiff already had nine unemployed people for every job vacancy. The jobs just don’t exist. In 2010, there was 1 million more unemployed than there were job vacancies

    Benefit cheats are bankrupting the country? IT’S A LIE. Benefit fraud does amount to about £1.5 billion a year. However, £16 billion goes UNCLAIMED every year. Meanwhile, the amount of tax lost through avoidance and evasion is a whopping £120 billion a year. ( and don’t give me the crap about avoidance being legal, the truth is, it shouldn’t be)

  • I posted that comment in a couple of places. It’s wonderful! And worthy of memorising.

  • Joe Kane on Facebook January 3, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Just to say Adrianne, according to the Green Benches blog £66 billion in all types of welfare benefits goes unclaimed –
    Stop Bashing Benefit Claimants when £66 billion goes unclaimed per parliament
    03 Nov 2011

  • Joe Kane on Facebook January 3, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Here is the official government webpage on the DWP annual budget last year from the National Audit Office. Easy and simple to read.
    Out of a total DWP budget of £153.6 billion for 2010-2011, £3.3 billion was overspend with fraud at £1.2 billion and error/inefficiencies at £2 billion –

    Department for Work and Pensions: 2010-11 accounts Press Release
    National Audit Office
    19 July 2011

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