- Mass evictions of the most vulnerable are no way to tackle the housing benefit bill, and we must do all we can to stop them. Above: A demonstration against the bedroom tax organised by Stand Up In Bootle, a grassroots campaign group based near Liverpool. Photograph: David Colbran/ David Colbran/Demotix/Corbis
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My solidarity is with those who march and protest BUT it is not enough . More critical and dynamic action is required; the Bishops are speaking out but where are the Trade Unions and WTF are the Labour party all about now?
Hope you’ll cover this story too…
its not a tax ids sais so please use the right words for it daylight robbery by those who should now better jeff3
It’s not a tax.
It’s just a reduction in free money from the government!
This ‘entitled’ mentality is going to bankrupt this country if we’re not careful.
Jean-you’re a troll.
Free money from the government TORY TROLL, the only people getting free money care of the tax payer are workfare companies getting free labour and those private companies involved in the work programme.
Not to mention the billions used to bail out bankers and the rich for their mistakes. Plenty of your free money knocking about for them.
Perhaps you would like to tell us all what NI contributions deducted from wages are for
And yes you will be surprised to know that many of us have worked for years before becoming ill.
Go back to the Daily Propaganda
This is for the Tory trolling propoganda supporter
Response by disabled people to the speech by Prime Minister David Cameron on welfare, at Bluewater, Kent, on Monday 25th June, 2012
This link above takes you to a ten-page response to the above noted speech from your fuehrer.
I know it may be difficult for readers of the Scum, Daily Tail and Torygraph to read such a large amount of words but stick with it you will read the truth and the reality of being ill or unemployed in 21st Century Britain
In It Cameron comes up with the astonishing quote
“for those on sickness benefits too, it might be reasonable for them to take more steps to improve their health”.
Spare a thought also for those in ONE bed flats who are being hit with the same 20% take out of benefit through COMPULSORY council tax
Why do people shout troll if they don’t like or agree with the view of someone else?
Just to make things clear – genuinely disabled people, of course should have a bedroom to themselves if required and not have to pay for the privilege.
Unfortunately for the genuine, there are a lot claiming, who are not genuine.
Also, ordinary people (not disabled in any way) are screaming because they will have to pay some of the rent for the house they rent.
I also think pensioners should not be exempt. It’s wrong for a single pensioner to live in a housing benefit assisted 3 bedroom house, when there are families with children needing them.
For information… I am in my late 60’s and have paid my mortgage without any help being given from the government and always paid my council tax in full – again no help.
My mortgage was of course paid off some years ago, as it was taken out in the late 60’s.
My parents always lived in a council house (something I was determined not to do when I was planning to marry) and as far as I’m aware, never received help with their rent. We never went without food as children but there were no luxuries.
I do remember having a holiday one year – in a grotty caravan in Skegness.
My two middle aged sons are homeowners and again do not receive benefits. And believe me they have struggled at times.
You say you didn’t want to live in a council property when you got older, let me tell you something, I was raised in the 1960s and my parents had no choice but to buy a home and have you any idea the desperate situation it put my parents in!!!! They had one wage coming in and my father didn’t have a very high wage working in a steel rolling mill. I saw my mom crying about what she was going to feed us, how was she going to get us a pair of shoes, what to buy us for xmas, I ALSO saw my mom in flimsy summer clothes and shoes in winter. CAN I MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO THOSE TOO THICK/BLIND TO SEE MY PARENT’S WEREN’T SKIVER’S THEY BOTH WORKED VERY HARD ALL THEIR WORKING LIVES!!!! AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PROPERTY THAT THEY BOUGHT??? IT WAS TAKEN OFF THEM FOR THEIR CARE! YOU AND YOUR ILK AREN’T LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE…
1) WHO DESTROYED INDUSTRY? When I started work in 1974 NO-ONE ALLOW ME TO REPEAT, NO ONE WENT RIGHT ON TO THE DOLE and only the very sick were out of work. WHO CLOSED THE MINES? CAR INDUSTRY? STEEL INDUSTRY? CLOTHING INDUSTRY? MOTORBIKE INDUSTRY? THE LIST’S ENDLESS
FIFTY-THOUSAND PEOPLE WORKED AT THE DAGENHAM FORD FACTORY ALONE AND I’M SURE IF I DID RESEARCH I’D FIND HIGHER NUMBERS. I WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE BLACK COUNTRY AND AS FAR AS THE EYE COULD SEE (AT ONE TIME) THERE WERE FACTORIES SPEWING OUT THEIR WARES — TODAY MOST OF IT’S BEEN BUILT ON OR IS A BARREN BROWN LAND SITE.
2) WHO CAUSED THAT MANY PEOPLE TO BE UNEMPLOYED? (read above again) WHO DESTROYED THE ECONOMY? DID THE BANKERS’ AND MEGA RICH SUFFER?
3) THIS IS A PLOY BY THE GOVERNMENT TO TURN US AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND IT’S WORKING!!!
4) I SAY TO ANY ONE THAT AGREES WITH JEAN AND HER ILK DON’T BECOME SICK OR UNEMPLOYED AND PLEASE LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE
God’s strewth! So you think a poor aul pensioner who has lived through possibly two wars and lived in a home all their adult life, raised a family there now we should remove them from their homes by force depriving them of the only thing left which brings them joy in their old age at a time when they are most probably disabled in some form, their memories and the security of their home which has been loved and seen love over many a long year. Lovely, just so you can feel all powerful in your superiority complex, ever though of therapy?
Also dementia is made much worse/higher chance of developing in the elderly whom are removed from familiar surroundings.
It’s OK for you to enjoy these privileges though because you have paid CT and a mortgage for which you borrowed against and got a BTL and then grew fat on the profit from the astronomical rent you were charging some poor pleb on HB for a substandard hovel in need of renovation and probably bought at auction, have never seen a war and fortunately are healthy .
I’m all right Jack but I’m going to kick every one on the ladder below me, be careful though as you may run into them again on your way down.
Tax the Rich Make them Pay Hands Off the Poor
Con Dem Britain is a Disgrace and a Bloody Sick Joke
Well said Serenity. You will notice their was no reply to my points. Free money from the taxpayer to bail out bankers and the rich for their mistakes is OK.
Her views are those of snobs who look down on people less well off, in fact the type of people who voted in this shambles of a government.
Bash the poor, bash the sick and disabled, bash the unemployed – the state of the economy is their fault!
Substitute sick, disabled and unemployed for jews and you have views and opinions inherently similar to Hitler and his henchman.
My parents always lived in a council house (something I was determined not to do.
Not only that but you also wish to deny others social housing which you and your family enjoyed the security and enjoyment of and profited from handsomely no doubt when you bought it for a couple of grand from thatcher and used the rental income to pay your mortgage at the fancy new place you bought !
@Serenity March 16, 2013 at 10:13 am
Don’t be ridiculous!
I have never had a BTL mortgage, nor rented a house out. I’m totally against BTL and certainly against council houses being sold.
I certainly did not buy a council house nor would I.
My first house purchase for when we married, was a new build very small 3 bed semi.
And we struggled to pay the mortgage!
Oh, and I’ve only ever owned one house at a time!
Nor do I think of my house as in investment – I’ts just my home!
Isn’t it strange that people like ‘jean’ are popping up all over the place wherever the bedroom tax is discussed. All spouting the same old nonsense. Do they have you all sitting in booths doing this ‘jean’. do they pay you or are you just doing it for the love of IDS?? By the way, where have you been for the last six months? You’re too late, the bedroom tax is on its knees. Even Telegraph readers voted 82% against. Sorry bout that.
@murphy March 16, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Maybe we’re popping up, because we – that is tax paying non benefit claimers – are sick and tired of able bodied people putting their hand out for free money.
Money that the government collect off us – as in tax!
I would read Thomas’s comment below regarding tax. I would also advise spouting on about able bodied benefit recipients on a site dedicated to fighting for the interests of chronically sick and disabled people. Or don’t you look at where you’re posting? Maybe you just google ‘cuts’ and ‘benefits’ and out comes all the vicious bile. Get a better hobby.
Not that ALL benefits recipients don’t deserve support, they do. Thought I’d better add that in case my remark gets misunderstood. Just pointing out that ‘jean’ probably doesn’t know or care where she/he/it is trolling.
Jean, would you rather people were robbing you in the street out of desperation?
WELL SAID THOMAS! When those like Jean and her ilk are robbed in the street by people that have no money and are allowed no money THEN HER ATTITUDE WILL CHANGE!!! Only this past week, I read about a man at the JCP that was a few mins late signing on and they sanctioned him and said he’d get no money, he said i’m going into the nearest shop to steal food to give my kids, he phoned the police and the police told the JCP to give him his money. Last week, the JCP tried it on with my friends daughter, she was told she hadn’t been looking for work and yet she had, she has a home and a 12-yr-old, she told them she couldn’t send her daughter to school, as she had no money for electric to wash her clothing THEY DIDN’T CARE!!!!! NOW IF NO-ONE DOESN’T ALREADY KNOW THE JCP HAVE TARGETS AND THEY HAVE TO SANCTION PEOPLE TO SAVE MONEY, USUALLY IT’S THE MOST VULNERABLE THAT THEY PICK ON (kids or the barely literate).
THERE’S A WAR COMING AND BELIEVE ME THE RICH, POWERFUL WILL HAVE NO PLACE TO HIDE.
Just in case Jean hadn’t thought of it, we all pay tax, even the unemployed, sick and or disabled, We may no longer pay income tax and in some cases national insurance but we still pay tax. She should also think herself very lucky she lived in the time that allowed her to buy her own home. She had the opportunity, something that many people today haven’t a snowball in hells chance of doing, thanks to the poverty wages that are being paid, while many of the owners of business scurry away their tax avoidance in offshore accounts. While theses same owners use slave labour paid for by the British taxpayer. If these people have vacancy’s for shelf stackers or cleaners or even a general dogs body then employ them and pay them a wage so they can contribute to society.But then again if the government made these people pay for their own workforce maybe these people would not contribute to the government coffers. I started work in 1971 at the age of 15 years 4 month old, I managed to get an apprenticeship in the motor trade partly due to the mechanical knowledge I already had. The garage was an agent for a world leading car manufacturer, the Tory who owned that garage made £120.00 a day out of my time and my first years income was less than £200.00 When I left at the age of 19 my years income was £1092.00 less tax, £21.00 a week less tax. Many people are kept on poverty wages who struggle daily and have to claim housing benefit, some may be single in two bedroom flats that aren’t even fit for human habitation, they are being punished because they cannot afford to buy their own home, or because where they live was the only option open to them at the time. If a person had the option of a £400.00 a week wage, that allowed them to pay their own way or £71.00 on benefits which do you think they would take. Even £400.00 a week would not allow them a mortgage today, but it would allow them a life above existence. Don’t punish the sick and or disabled, it may not be their fault anything can happen to anyone, it happened to me, now I have to take morphine for the rest of my miserable life, it’s not the unemployed’s fault because there are no jobs. there are over 10.000 unemployed in my home town and in Thursday’s newspaper on job days I’ve counted less than 30 jobs, times that by ten or even a hundred still not enough jobs. The sick and or disabled, the low paid, the unemployed, the young, we did not cause the mess we are in. We did not stop apprenticeships or destroy our industries through megalomania, we didn’t sell all our utilities to the highest bidder, we didn’t destroy a first class education system, The workers of this nation made its wealth and built it. The Tory’s and their ilk stole it and sold it off they are still doing now. Or maybe you think that all us scrounging scum should have been killed off the second we became disabled. Just as an after thought my parents ( who are now both dead) owned their own home, until it was compulsory purchased in the 70s ( bang went my inheritance) as was many of the houses where I once lived, splitting a community that had thrived for generations. There are the ones in society who claim benefits that play the system, the fraud rate by the way Jean is 1% or are you one of those people who are hoodwinked daily by the lies and rhetoric of this corrupt self aggrandizing government. While your anger is aimed at us the true criminals are robbing you blind.
@Andrew Healey March 17, 2013 at 7:20 pm
I’ve tried to read your post but it’s very difficult.
What is it with some people posting on here – have they never heard of paragraphs?
When I married in the late 60’s at the age of 22 – I was earning £10.00 per week.
My future husband earned a little more.
The point is – from the age of 19 to 22 while we were engaged, we saved every single penny, apart from our bus fares to work.
This saving was for a deposit on a house – an extremely small 3 bed semi.
There were times I was worried sick how we were going to pay the electricity & gas bills.
My two sons (now in their mid 40’s) both managed to buy a house each – along with the help of their future wives. This was in the mid to late 80’s.
Believe me – we all struggled at times! It was never easy!
My youngest son and his family still struggle.
So do not ever think we have had it easy.
Excellent writing, couldn’t have put it any better.
My previous post “excellent writing” refers to Andrew Healy
Sorry Jean is unable to read, When your body is racked with pain and you have to take the amounts of Morphine I have to take, paragraphs are the last thing on your mind, You have to try and get your thoughts down before the Morphine befuddles your thinking.I didn’t say you had it easy, I said you should be grateful you had the opportunity. In 1971 my first full weeks pay was £1.93 that’s, one pound and ninety three pence, I worked over 50 hours in that first week. In that first week I made that thieving Tory £720 just with my time. I say thieving because he kept two sets of books and evaded paying his tax’s. He also robbed his customers, his staff and anyone else when the opportunity arose. That seems to be the Tory ethic.. Just as an after thought I wasn’t trying to insult you, just to get you to see through the eyes of someone who had a good job. I have no educational qualifications, I rose through the ranks with sheer graft and became a manager, that graft wrecked my body but made my employers wealthy. I paid my way for 35 years, unfortunately I was never paid enough to take out private pensions etc, you see it’s very rare that good workers get promoted, they’re needed on the shop floor to make the bosses rich. Then one day something happens and you are paralyzed from the neck down, I just turned my head to the right and that was it, slowly feeling comes back but you’ve lost 90% usage of one arm and 50% of the other and a list of in- capacities that are so painful you have to take copious amounts of Morphine. I never for one minute expected it to happen to me. I’m not asking for pity or sympathy, I’m proud I’ve worked hard all my working life and been good at my chosen profession, people have made themselves wealthy with my knowledge, while keeping their foot on the back of my neck, Now I want some of the benefits I worked for. I don’t wear blinkers, I am capable of independent thought, I follow no politicians mantra and I know lies and corruption when I see it. Now if you don’t mind Jean I’ve been awake for almost 48 hours, the Arthritis in my hands is really starting to hurt it’s hard trying to type with your knuckles and I’ve taken way over the recommended dose of Morphine, I’m going to close my eyes for an hour, if I’m lucky enough I might even get a snooze, but usually I just have to contend with resting my eyes, the pain through my body stops me from sleeping.