Liam Byrne, pointing to resentment of benefit claimants, says that social security must be ‘reinvented’ and that Labour will make cuts to welfare budget if it wins 2015 election

Shadow work and pensions secretary points to resentment of benefit claimants and says social security must be ‘reinvented’ 

, political reporter, guardian.co.uk

Liam Byrne, who supported a cap on benefits but said it should vary across the country to make sure work always paid. Photograph: Andrew Yates/AFP/Getty Images

 

Labour’s Liam Byrne has outlined the need to “reinvent social security for modern times” as he signalled the party intends to make savings in the welfare budget if it returns to power in 2015.

Pointing to the growing resentment of benefit claimants by some sections of society, the shadow work and pensions secretary said he believed the fact that social security no longer enjoyed “widespread support” was linked to the fact it did not offer the same level of security as it once did.

He said in an era in which “jobs for life” had gone, the system needed to work differently to reflect the fact that different things were needed from social security, with a “much bigger push” to get people back into work, new investment in areas such as childcare, and being “much smarter” about how the system set up to help disabled people worked.

He told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme:

“The truth is the world of work has changed very radically since social security was set up back in the 1940s and for many people in work they don’t actually feel they get much out for the pressures they have to contend with in everyday life, so I think that fractures support and I think that’s why we do have to reinvent social security for modern times and the world today.”

Asked whether a Labour government would introduce further welfare savings, Byrne conceded cuts were likely because of the “dog’s breakfast” Labour would inherit if it returned to power.

“The national debt is going to be over £400bn higher than it was at the last parliament,” he said. “Savings are going to have to be made and I think there will be savings that are needed on welfare spending too, and our challenge is how we spend that money differently to support people in work.”

Byrne said the “zero-based review” that Ed Miliband would conduct if Labour won the 2015 general election would look at the “balance” between universal and targeted benefits.

“There has always been a balance in the welfare state between universal benefits and targeted benefits and I’m afraid as part of Ed’s zero-based review that balance has got to be looked at, but the chief focus has got to be on getting as many people into jobs as possible. It’s good for living standards, it’s good for growth and it’s good for tax.”

Byrne also used the interview to call for a government rethink on its plans to set one national benefits cap, saying it would make “much more sense to have a different cap in different parts of the country”.

Speaking before Miliband’s party conference speech in Manchester on Tuesday, Byrne suggested an independent panel of experts should examine the issue to ensure “no matter where you live, you are better off in work”.

He backed the principle of a cap on benefits, but added:

“They have, in a clumsy and pretty politicised way, tried to set one national cap for the country whereas everybody knows that one cap for the whole of Britain would be pumped up a bit by the very, very high levels of rent and housing benefit that you see in London.

“We’ve said, ‘Look, come on, think about this carefully. It would make much more sense to have a different cap in different parts of the country and let’s try and take the politics out of that a bit.’

“Let’s get an independent panel of wise experts who can look at this and say what is the right level in different parts of the country, so that no matter where you live, you are better off in work.”

The Guardian

Comments
  • DAVID A SHAW October 2, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    LIAM BYRNE……….NEO-LIBERAL. BLAIRITE. TORY IN DISGUISE. IDS COULD HAVE SAID THE SAME THING. THIS MAN SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OF THE LABOUR PARTY AND NOW !

  • kelpimare October 2, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    David A Shaw…..I second that motion. Where the hell do these morons get the idea that existing on benefit is a lifechoice??? Honest t god…..time for the unions to stop handing over the cash-and form a REAL LABOUR party that understands that a labourer is worthy of his pay and not to be thrown onto workfare by the right wing of neo liberal new labour. Jeez….cut welfare means cutting jobs. Duh.

  • jeffery davies October 2, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    and there we have it more of the same started by tony blair used by the torys then reused by the labour party who are now just torys in labour disguise we the sick and disabled wont see any change to our benefits as we just a side show for you to rid the country of jeff3

  • papasmurf October 2, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Of course after 20 years of lies and propaganda there is resentment of benefit claimants.
    Which is what most of us here are trying to combat.

  • jonno October 2, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    what a twat

  • jefflph October 3, 2012 at 12:37 am

    he was a banker,need i say more he is part of the problem .. jeff ..

  • Lovejoy October 3, 2012 at 1:16 am

    Yes there is resentment, but ignorant bigotry shouldn’t shape government policy.

  • Lovejoy October 3, 2012 at 1:17 am

    How is regressing back to the Poor Laws ‘reinventing social security for modern times’.

  • Lovejoy October 3, 2012 at 1:17 am

    How is regressing back to the Poor Laws ‘reinventing social security for modern times’? (Correcting comment above, sorry)

  • kasbah October 3, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I find his views shocking and can see no meaningful difference between his rhetoric and that of the Tories. Very frightening.

  • Jay Astarte October 3, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Good grief. How can they call themselves Labour? One obvious way to make sure that work pays is to lower the minimum wage and take a look at working conditions in the UK. Apparently we work longer hours for less money than most of the EU. Plus, our employment protection laws, alongside Canada and the US, are among the worst in the world.

    We currently live in a world shaped by greed and we need a Labour party which will get back to basic Socialist principles, not one which is a thinly-disguised Tory party.

  • kelpimare October 5, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    I’d love to know where the 3,000,000, three million, 3million plus jobs that are needed to get claimants “back to work” are……hiding under the hoose o commons’ backside, mayhap?

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